Monday, January 6th 2025

AMD Debuts Radeon RX 9070 XT and RX 9070 Powered by RDNA 4, and FSR 4

AMD at the 2025 International CES announced the Radeon RX 9070 XT and Radeon RX 9070 desktop performance-segment graphics cards. These will be the face of AMD's next generation of gaming graphics products, and will be powered by the new RDNA 4 graphics architecture. AMD hopes to launch both cards within Q1 2025. AMD changed the nomenclature of its gaming GPUs mainly because it has made a tactical retreat from the enthusiast graphics segment, its fastest products will compete in the performance segment. From the way AMD arranged the Radeon RX 9070 series and 9060 series product stack against the backdrop of the Radeon RX 7000 series, the GeForce RTX 4000 series, and the anticipated GeForce RTX 5000 series, the RX 9070 XT will offer performance roughly similar to the Radeon RX 7900 XT in raster, with the RX 9070 being slightly faster than the RX 7800 XT. The RX 9060 XT will beat the RX 7700 XT, while the RX 9060 beats the RX 7600 XT.

With RDNA 4, AMD claims generational SIMD performance increase on the RDNA 4 compute units. The 2nd Gen AI accelerators will boast of generational performance increase, and AMD will debut a locally-accelerated generative AI application down the line, called the AMD Adrenalin AI, which can generate images, summarize documents, and perform some linguistic/grammar tasks (rewriting), and serve as a chatbot for answering AMD-related queries. This is basically AMD's answer to NVIDIA Chat RTX. AMD's 3rd Gen Ray accelerator is expected to reduce the performance cost of ray tracing, by putting more of the ray tracing workload through dedicated hardware, offloading the SIMD engine. Lastly, AMD is expected to significantly upgrade the media acceleration and display I/O of its GPUs.
AMD also announced FidelityFX Super Resolution 4 (FSR 4), which has been developed for RDNA 4 (not sure if it will work on older generations of Radeon). It introduces a new machine learning (ML) based upscaling component to handle Super Resolution. This will be paired with Frame Generation, and an updated Anti-Lag 2, to make up the FSR 4 feature-set. Call of Duty: Black Ops 6 is confirmed to be one of the first titles to utilize FSR 4.
Nearly all AMD add-in board partners (AIBs) are ready with Radeon 9070 series graphics cards, including Acer, ASRock, ASUS, GIGABYTE, Sapphire, PowerColor, XFX, Vastarmor, and Yeston. MSI seems to have discontinued being an AMD AIB.

We also got our first peek at what the "Navi 48" GPU powering the Radeon RX 9070 series looks like—it features an unusual rectangular die with a 2:1 aspect ratio, which seems to lend plausibility to the popular theory that the "Navi 48" is two "Navi 44" dies joined at the hip with full cache-coherency. The GPU is rumored to feature a 256-bit GDDR6 memory interface, and 64 compute units (4,096 stream processors). The "Navi 44," on the other hand, is exactly half of this (128-bit GDDR6, 32 CU). AMD is building the "Navi 48" and "Navi 44" on the TSMC N4P (4 nm EUV) foundry node, on which it is building pretty much its entire current-generation, from mobile processors, to CPU chiplets.
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337 Comments on AMD Debuts Radeon RX 9070 XT and RX 9070 Powered by RDNA 4, and FSR 4

#226
mrnagant
What is this Radiance Display Engine? Did RDNA 3.5 introduce the 1st Gen?
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#227
Zazigalka
Visible NoiseNow we know why AMD bailed on presenting RDNA 4 this afternoon. It’s bottom market trash compared to what Nvidia is showing now.

Radeon is dead. Long live Radeon.
nah, can't be THAT bad.....
what I find funny though is hardware locking fsr4, this has to come as a cognitive shock to people who thought FSR2/3 has been open because AMD wants older cards to have equal features.
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#228
DaemonForce
No, it's that bad. If you were paying attention to all the stuff that nVidia was NOT talking about during the presentation, all the wild features they've put into their cards means AMD is going to be playing catch up for a LOOOOONG time. The neural rendering thing alone is basically a long list of cheats at every turn. DLSS4 is SHARP and Reflex 2 is basically dropping a mini nuke on everything Radeon. Having such insanely low input latency isn't something that should be walled off to either company and it's been an issue in VR for a while but <1ms desktop is actually insane. Most of the other stuff hasn't even been covered. It was all AI this and that x200. Absolute massacre. It's no wonder AMD didn't even bother but we need something. Where's the effort? I really wanted to give AMD a chance but they never miss an opportunity to miss the opportunity. Meme reflects reality.
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#229
AusWolf
DaemonForceNo, it's that bad. If you were paying attention to all the stuff that nVidia was NOT talking about during the presentation, all the wild features they've put into their cards means AMD is going to be playing catch up for a LOOOOONG time. The neural rendering thing alone is basically a long list of cheats at every turn. DLSS4 is SHARP and Reflex 2 is basically dropping a mini nuke on everything Radeon. Having such insanely low input latency isn't something that should be walled off to either company and it's been an issue in VR for a while but <1ms desktop is actually insane. Most of the other stuff hasn't even been covered. It was all AI this and that x200. Absolute massacre. It's no wonder AMD didn't even bother but we need something. Where's the effort? I really wanted to give AMD a chance but they never miss an opportunity to miss the opportunity. Meme reflects reality.
All gimmicks, the whole lot, with not much performance data to go by. AMD has a chance to respond with a better price-to-performance ratio. I hope they won't mess it up.
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#230
Zazigalka
AusWolfAll gimmicks, the whole lot, with not much performance data to go by. AMD has a chance to respond with a better price-to-performance ratio. I hope they won't mess it up.
not revealing performance numbers doesn't bode well. if they really reached the targetted "4080 pefromance", they'd say that.
if this, by chance, gets beat by $550 5070, it's gonna be really disappointing, at least for mid/upper-mid range buyers like me.
that said, nvidia never showed 5070-5080 numbers, and 5090 is the only one shown because it has a hefty core count upgrade over 4090.
imo it looks like 5070 will be 4070 + 25%, nothing earth shattering, 4070TiS performance at $250 less.
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#231
Visible Noise
Word has leaked - AMD pulled their RDNA 4 and Z2 extreme presentations at the last minute due to what Nvidia was going to show. That‘s why the tech tubers had their videos all produced and posted at the start of the keynote.

Information comes from developers that were supposed show their wares. If you know the forums where the AA and AAA devs hang out you can see their posts that they had already arrived in Vegas before they were told of the change of plans.

Radeon division is in crisis mode. Don’t be surprised if RDNA 4 gets delayed to mid-year.
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#232
JohH
At present I'm confused. They knew Nvidia had their event today. They could have withheld pricing information until later. Launch later at $500 to $450 depending on actual performance of the RTX 5070. It doesn't look like the RTX 5070 is faster than expected, just more fake frames.
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#233
AusWolf
Zazigalkanot revealing performance numbers doesn't bode well. if they really reached the targetted "4080 pefromance", they'd say that.
if this, by chance, gets beat by $550 5070, it's gonna be really disappointing, at least for mid/upper-mid range buyers like me.
that said, nvidia never showed 5070-5080 numbers, and 5090 is the only one shown because it has a hefty core count upgrade over 4090.
imo it looks like 5070 will be 4070 + 25%, nothing earth shattering, 4070TiS performance at $250 less.
Well, if the 5070 performs at 4080 level for $550, and the 9070 XT performs at 7900 XT level, then it'll have to be priced at around $450 max. It'll be an interesting match, that's for sure.
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#234
JustBenching
Dr. DroDon't spin this around, if it's anti-consumer when Nvidia does it, warranting years of rhetoric and scorn, it's anti-consumer when AMD does it. Where is all the outrage of AMD going back on their word and "betraying the trust of the loyal Radeon customer"? It's simple, really, it's pure hypocrisy. You people never once cared for it being closed source software, you only ever cared that it was better and you couldn't use it.
Is that surprising? Didn't we know that already? Wait - there is worse. If FSR 4 is actually GOOD suddenly upscaling will become a necessity and TAA a smearing mess. Wait for it, wait for it :D
TheinsanegamerNHey look it's another one. RX 6800xt/6900XT/7900XT/X cards were impossible to get for months after launch. Surely that wasnt because they didnt make any, right?
Are you in Europe? Most places in Europe (UK excluded, it's not in EU) didn't have listing of RDNA2 for months, let alone stock :D
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#235
AusWolf
JustBenchingIs that surprising? Didn't we know that already? Wait - there is worse. If FSR 4 is actually GOOD suddenly upscaling will become a necessity and TAA a smearing mess. Wait for it, wait for it :D
It won't become a necessity for me, that's for sure. I just hope raw performance on Blackwell and/or RDNA 4 will be decent relative to price, but I don't have high hopes considering that AMD gave us nothing while Nvidia only gave us faked data with different versions of FG used on the 40 and 50 series.
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#236
JustBenching
Darmok N JaladI think you’re being unreasonable here. Unless you know what it cost AMD to design, develop, build, and support these cards, then you have no idea at what price “greed” kicks in
Sure, I don't know what it costs them, but you know who does? AMD!! Which means they could have easily announced a price that would make them profitable. But they didn't, cause they just wanted the highest margins possible, which is basically nvidia - 9.99$.

And since 5070 is at 549$ now, I wasn't far off - the 9070xt should be 399-449$ at the most, and that's assuming FSR 4 is good and RT is up there.
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#237
AusWolf
JustBenchingSure, I don't know what it costs them, but you know who does? AMD!! Which means they could have easily announced a price that would make them profitable. But they didn't, cause they just wanted the highest margins possible, which is basically nvidia - 9.99$.
How do you know what low price still makes them profitable? How do you know they're not currently selling at that price?
JustBenchingAnd since 5070 is at 549$ now, I wasn't far off - the 9070xt should be 399-449$ at the most, and that's assuming FSR 4 is good and RT is up there.
We know nothing about the 5070's performance as of yet. We only know FG vs FG 4x data which is nothing to go by.
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#238
JustBenching
AusWolfHow do you know what price makes them profitable? How do you know they're not currently selling at that price?
As I've said, I don't, AMD does. They are not currently selling the 9070xt at that price, since they haven't announced any prices for it.
AusWolfWe know nothing about the 5070's performance as of yet. We only know FG vs FG 4x data which is nothing to go by.
Well we know it's faster than the 4070, and we know that the 9070xt isn't faster than the 7900xtx.
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#239
AusWolf
JustBenchingAs I've said, I don't, AMD does. They are not currently selling the 9070xt at that price, since they haven't announced any prices for it.
Ah, I see what you mean. But then, why would you want to sell a card at the lowest possible profit level if you could sell it for a bit more?

Nvidia asking what they're asking is fine, but AMD only undercutting it by a small bit is wrong? What's this double standard?
JustBenchingWell we know it's faster than the 4070, and we know that the 9070xt isn't faster than the 7900xtx.
The 7900 XTX is 62% faster than the 4070 (according to the TPU database). That's a lot of room for both the 5070 and 9070 XT. We don't know where they land relative to each other.
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#240
JustBenching
AusWolfAh, I see what you mean. But then, why would you want to sell a card at the lowest possible profit level if you could sell it for a bit more?
Because you (presumably of course) would want to get marketshare?
AusWolfNvidia asking what they're asking is fine, but AMD only undercutting it by a small bit is wrong? What's this double standard?
Doesn't the same apply in reverse? People are calling nvidia ngreedia because they want to make more, but when amd does it its' fine? Btw I have no issue with how much money amd wants to charge, I just don't like them hiding it / reacting to nvidias prices. Just grow a pair and ask what you think your card is worth.
AusWolfThe 7900 XTX is 62% faster than the 4070 (according to the TPU database). That's a lot of room for both the 5070 and 9070 XT. We don't know where they land relative to each other.
True, I thought they were closer together. Still I expect the 2 to land within 15-20% but time will tell
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#241
AusWolf
JustBenchingBecause you (presumably of course) would want to get marketshare?
Why is everyone obsessed with marketshare? A company's goal is to make profit.
JustBenchingDoesn't the same apply in reverse? People are calling nvidia ngreedia because they want to make more, but when amd does it its' fine? Btw I have no issue with how much money amd wants to charge, I just don't like them hiding it / reacting to nvidias prices. Just grow a ball and ask what you think your card is worth.
I don't care what people call who. I think 50 series prices aren't bad at all, provided there's a half-decent performance uplift, too... which we didn't see because the presentation was hidden behind frame-generated fake data instead giving us raw performance numbers. Nvidia is hiding just as much as AMD is (even though Nvidia maintains the illusion that they gave us something when they didn't). Neither is good, imo.
JustBenchingTrue, I thought they were closer together. Still I expect the 2 to land within 15-20% but time will tell
Yep, we'll see. Personally, I don't trust the fake data Nvidia gave us in the presentation, so I go by the assumption that we don't have any info on either card. We'll see it all in the reviews.
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#242
JustBenching
AusWolfWhy is everyone obsessed with marketshare? A company's goal is to make profit.


I don't care what people call who. I think 50 series prices aren't bad at all, provided there's a half-decent performance uplift, too... which we didn't see because the presentation was hidden behind frame-generated fake data instead giving us raw performance numbers. Nvidia is hiding just as much as AMD is (even though Nvidia maintains the illusion that they gave us something when they didn't). Neither is good, imo.


Yep, we'll see. Personally, I don't trust the fake data Nvidia gave us in the presentation, so I go by the assumption that we don't have any info on either card. We'll see it all in the reviews.
Well marketshare does 2 things. Reduces the cost of r&d per gpu, and increases software penetrration. See fsr for example, regardless of how good or bad it is it is widely adopted because it works on nvidia gpus as well. If it only worked on amd, no developer in their right mind would put it in their games instead of dlss.

If fsr4 is indeed only working on amds card, they need a big marketshare to drive this into games.
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#243
AusWolf
JustBenchingWell marketshare does 2 things. Reduces the cost of r&d per gpu,
Huh? Market share is the number of products sold relative to other members of the market. How does a relative unit number reduce any cost?
JustBenchingand increases software penetrration. See fsr for example, regardless of how good or bad it is it is widely adopted because it works on nvidia gpus as well. If it only worked on amd, no developer in their right mind would put it in their games instead of dlss.

If fsr4 is indeed only working on amds card, they need a big marketshare to drive this into games.
That I agree with. Personally, I don't think making FSR 4 AMD exclusive is / would be a good idea.
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#244
Melvis
Who did there keynote first? Nvidia or AMD? I havent seen any of CES yet.
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#245
JustBenching
AusWolfHuh? Market share is the number of products sold relative to other members of the market. How does a relative unit number reduce any cost?
Oh come on, higher marketshare would mean higher number of cards sold.
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#246
AusWolf
MelvisWho did there keynote first? Nvidia or AMD? I havent seen any of CES yet.
AMD did. They masterfully avoided talking about RDNA 4. Then Nvidia followed, giving us some great-looking prices (not much higher than Ada except for the 5090), only to follow it up with frame generation 4x (it makes 4x the frames on Blackwell) and false performance data with FG 4x enabled on Blackwell, but only standard FG enabled on Ada cards. So real performance remains a complete mystery.

This whole CES show was a big nothing burger GPU-wise.
JustBenchingOh come on, higher marketshare would mean higher number of cards sold.
Not necessarily. If AMD sells 2x as many cards as they did last year, and Nvidia sells 4x as many, then AMD's market share is still in decline. Or if AMD sells only half as many while Nvidia sells only 1/3 as many, then AMD's marketshare is trending up while still operating at a loss. You also didn't consider profit margins in your equation.
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#247
JustBenching
AusWolfNot necessarily. If AMD sells 2x as many cards as they did last year, and Nvidia sells 4x as many, then AMD's market share is still in decline. Or if AMD sells only half as many while Nvidia sells only 1/3 as many, then AMD's marketshare is trending up while still operating at a loss. You also didn't consider profit margins in your equation.
But the whole market won't grow by 10x in a year... You are just grasping at straws now, come on man. Plus it doesn't even matter, amd selling twice as many cards as last year and their marketshare further drops to 3%, their software penetration would still take a nose dive.
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#248
AusWolf
JustBenchingBut the whole market won't grow by 10x in a year...
It was an example to show that market share isn't the be-all-end-all of business. As a company, you don't need to be a dominant force in a market. You just need to be profitable.
JustBenchingPlus it doesn't even matter, amd selling twice as many cards as last year and their marketshare further drops to 3%, their software penetration would still take a nose dive.
That much is true, I give you that. Like I said, that's why I think making FSR 4 dependent on AMD hardware is a bad idea.

Besides, when DLSS came out, I was all against the idea of hardware-dependent software, and was a supporter of open standards. I still am.
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#249
JustBenching
AusWolfIt was an example to show that market share isn't the be-all-end-all of business. As a company, you don't need to be a dominant force in a market. You just need to be profitable.


That much is true, I give you that. Like I said, that's why I think making FSR 4 dependent on AMD hardware is a bad idea.

Besides, when DLSS came out, I was all against the idea of hardware-dependent software, and was a supporter of open standards. I still am.
In a competitive market hardware dependent software is fine, marketshare being 30-70 40-60 50-50 etc both brands would get coverage and support. And in such a competitive market open solutions don't make sense, why would amd waste money to develop a good solution only for nvidia users to benefit from it? Thats never going to happen.
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#250
AusWolf
JustBenchingIn a competitive market hardware dependent software is fine, marketshare being 30-70 40-60 50-50 etc both brands would get coverage and support. And in such a competitive market open solutions don't make sense, why would amd waste money to develop a good solution only for nvidia users to benefit from it? Thats never going to happen.
Because like you said, it won't work without the market adopting it.

Another side of the coin is that closed standards are anti-competitive. If you want X standard, you'll have to buy X product. It's the antithesis of freedom of choice. Sure, it doesn't benefit these companies much, but I'm talking from my perspective as a customer.

Although, considering that basically all consoles use AMD hardware, market adoption of a closed FSR 4 might not be such a big problem even if their desktop GPU market share is low.
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