Monday, January 6th 2025

AMD Debuts Radeon RX 9070 XT and RX 9070 Powered by RDNA 4, and FSR 4

AMD at the 2025 International CES announced the Radeon RX 9070 XT and Radeon RX 9070 desktop performance-segment graphics cards. These will be the face of AMD's next generation of gaming graphics products, and will be powered by the new RDNA 4 graphics architecture. AMD hopes to launch both cards within Q1 2025. AMD changed the nomenclature of its gaming GPUs mainly because it has made a tactical retreat from the enthusiast graphics segment, its fastest products will compete in the performance segment. From the way AMD arranged the Radeon RX 9070 series and 9060 series product stack against the backdrop of the Radeon RX 7000 series, the GeForce RTX 4000 series, and the anticipated GeForce RTX 5000 series, the RX 9070 XT will offer performance roughly similar to the Radeon RX 7900 XT in raster, with the RX 9070 being slightly faster than the RX 7800 XT. The RX 9060 XT will beat the RX 7700 XT, while the RX 9060 beats the RX 7600 XT.

With RDNA 4, AMD claims generational SIMD performance increase on the RDNA 4 compute units. The 2nd Gen AI accelerators will boast of generational performance increase, and AMD will debut a locally-accelerated generative AI application down the line, called the AMD Adrenalin AI, which can generate images, summarize documents, and perform some linguistic/grammar tasks (rewriting), and serve as a chatbot for answering AMD-related queries. This is basically AMD's answer to NVIDIA Chat RTX. AMD's 3rd Gen Ray accelerator is expected to reduce the performance cost of ray tracing, by putting more of the ray tracing workload through dedicated hardware, offloading the SIMD engine. Lastly, AMD is expected to significantly upgrade the media acceleration and display I/O of its GPUs.
AMD also announced FidelityFX Super Resolution 4 (FSR 4), which has been developed for RDNA 4 (not sure if it will work on older generations of Radeon). It introduces a new machine learning (ML) based upscaling component to handle Super Resolution. This will be paired with Frame Generation, and an updated Anti-Lag 2, to make up the FSR 4 feature-set. Call of Duty: Black Ops 6 is confirmed to be one of the first titles to utilize FSR 4.
Nearly all AMD add-in board partners (AIBs) are ready with Radeon 9070 series graphics cards, including Acer, ASRock, ASUS, GIGABYTE, Sapphire, PowerColor, XFX, Vastarmor, and Yeston. MSI seems to have discontinued being an AMD AIB.

We also got our first peek at what the "Navi 48" GPU powering the Radeon RX 9070 series looks like—it features an unusual rectangular die with a 2:1 aspect ratio, which seems to lend plausibility to the popular theory that the "Navi 48" is two "Navi 44" dies joined at the hip with full cache-coherency. The GPU is rumored to feature a 256-bit GDDR6 memory interface, and 64 compute units (4,096 stream processors). The "Navi 44," on the other hand, is exactly half of this (128-bit GDDR6, 32 CU). AMD is building the "Navi 48" and "Navi 44" on the TSMC N4P (4 nm EUV) foundry node, on which it is building pretty much its entire current-generation, from mobile processors, to CPU chiplets.
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318 Comments on AMD Debuts Radeon RX 9070 XT and RX 9070 Powered by RDNA 4, and FSR 4

#176
TheinsanegamerN
AusWolfNo, it's not logical. A GPU costs so much to make and offers so much performance. Why should it be cheaper than the competing product?
Ok, so if I make a GPU that is only compatible with DX9, but is as fast as a 4090, would that GPU be worth $1500?
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#177
freeagent
Any 40 series, 30 series, 20 series, 10 series, and beyond can do more than play games, they can do actual work. Not that I do anything really productive with mine other than F@H now and then, and maybe use my GPU to bust down a video to put on my phone, because it is a lot faster than my CPU.. nothing wrong with Nvidia, you just pay more, but you also get more if you can use it.

And look at RT, how long have AMD users been saying RT sucks, yet AMD disagrees lol..
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#178
AusWolf
TheinsanegamerNOk, so if I make a GPU that is only compatible with DX9, but is as fast as a 4090, would that GPU be worth $1500?
Is the 9070 XT only compatible with DX9? I don't see the point in this argument in the present situation.
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#179
Onasi
AusWolfIt is not logical, period. If a GPU can do 100 FPS, and another one also does 100 FPS, then there is no reason for them to be priced differently. You don't pay for "second or first rate players", you pay for a product.
You are being incredibly naive here. Hey, both a cheap Casio watch and a Breitling show time exactly the same. Why would one cost more than the other, right? Same product, really. Again - PERCEPTION. MIND SHARE. You might not care about “second or first rate players”, but the market absolutely does. If GPUs sold only on their raw performance stats Radeon would not be in a position they are. So no, using the logic of the “people” is very much applicable. Note how I say “logic”. I know it might be a lost distinction for some, but what I did NOT say is that it’s rational. What you describe is pure rational pragmatism. This, however, is not always aligned with the masses consumer logic.
Seriously, why are you even arguing the point? It’s self evident from the state of the GPU market.
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#180
AusWolf
freeagentAny 40 series, 30 series, 20 series, 10 series, and beyond can do more than play games, they can do actual work. Not that I do anything really productive with mine other than F@H now and then, and maybe use my GPU to bust down a video to put on my phone, because it is a lot faster than my CPU.. nothing wrong with Nvidia, you just pay more, but you also get more if you can use it.
Ok, CUDA is a good point, although F@H runs on AMD too as far as I know (at least BOINC does).
freeagentAnd look at RT, how long have AMD users been saying RT sucks, yet AMD disagrees lol..
And I'll keep saying that until I get decent performance without upscaling. Whether AMD agrees or disagrees, I don't care. They have to show something worthwhile before my jaw drops.
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#181
freeagent
AusWolfAnd I'll keep saying that until I get decent performance without upscaling
Retire your 2060 and you wont have to use upscaling.
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#182
AusWolf
OnasiYou are being incredibly naive here. Hey, both a cheap Casio watch and a Breitling show time exactly the same. Why would one cost more than the other, right? Same product, really. Again - PERCEPTION. MIND SHARE.
In other words: people are stupid. It's not logical, but it's fact.
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#183
TheinsanegamerN
AusWolfIs the 9070 XT only compatible with DX9? I don't see the point in this argument in the present situation.
Well, you keep insisting that features dont matter to price, only performance. DX12 is a feature. RT is a feature. So where is your cutoff?
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#184
RedelZaVedno
ATI and old AMD used to know how to bring us joy with legends like 9700 PRO, 5870, 7970 where they were competing with the best and costed a lot less. Now we're going from one shitshow to another. Even when they have a good product they F it up by pricing it too high or buggy drivers on release day. No wonder their market share went down from 40ies into single digit numbers. It breaks my heart to witness this decline as someone who owned all of the above GPUs and 290X, 480, 5700XT, 6800XT, to finally give up and moved to Green team. AMD please give me back the reason buy your products again. Either by attractive price to performance or pure performance, because now you have neither :(
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#185
AusWolf
freeagentRetire your 2060 and you wont have to use upscaling.
With RT? No, you can't.

What I mean is, no AMD card, and no Nvidia card below the 4080 can do proper RT without upscaling. If AMD decides to follow Nvidia and say that RT is great, they'll have to show it with the 9070 XT. I'm waiting.
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#186
oxrufiioxo

Some more info from I guess a Q&A.... They didn't have time for RDNA4.... A presentation will come later when they have time lol...
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#187
AusWolf
TheinsanegamerNWell, you keep insisting that features dont matter to price, only performance. DX12 is a feature. RT is a feature. So where is your cutoff?
They both run on AMD cards. And I ain't paying a penny extra for DLSS, because 1. I don't like upscaling, and 2. Even if I did, we've got FSR.
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#188
95Viper
I am only going to post this warning once.

Stay on topic.
Post about the topic and not other members.
Post per the guidelines.
Be civil in your responses.
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#189
AusWolf
oxrufiioxo

Some more info from I guess a Q&A.... They didn't have time for RDNA4.... A presentation will come later when they have time lol...
Really? What a strange excuse.
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#190
oxrufiioxo
AusWolfReally? What a strange excuse.
They did say the number one priority is value and that they don't want to release a product that just tanks in price at retail saying only a few RDNA3 gpu were viewed favorably.
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#191
TheinsanegamerN
AusWolfThey both run on AMD cards. And I ain't paying a penny extra for DLSS, because 1. I don't like upscaling, and 2. Even if I did, we've got FSR.
So, it is reasonable to say if both AMD and nvidia cards can use DX12 and RT, but AMD is noticeably slower, it should be cheaper, since it cannot maintain the same performance? Then why the insistence that AMD shouldnt be discounting their hardware compared to nvidia?
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#192
AusWolf
TheinsanegamerNSo, it is reasonable to say if both AMD and nvidia cards can use DX12 and RT, but AMD is noticeably slower, it should be cheaper, since it cannot maintain the same performance? Then why the insistence that AMD shouldnt be discounting their hardware compared to nvidia?
Not everybody needs a 4090. I don't, for example.
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#193
RedelZaVedno
oxrufiioxo

Some more info from I guess a Q&A.... They didn't have time for RDNA4.... A presentation will come later when they have time lol...
This basically tells us how much AMD values it's Radeon division at least it's dGPU part. None, nada, niente.
For god sake Lisa, please just sell it to whoever. Maybe Arm or Intel or Chinese. You're clearly not interested in retail dGPUs :banghead:
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#194
TheinsanegamerN
AusWolfNot everybody needs a 4090. I don't, for example.
I never said they did. Do you agree that if AMD's equivalent card is slower then Nvidia's it should be priced lower, even if it is int he same "tier"?
RedelZaVednoThis basically tells us how much AMD values it's Radeon division at least it's dGPU part. None, nada, niente.
For god sake Lisa, please just sell it to whoever. Maybe Arm or Intel or Chinese. You're clearly not interested in retail dGPUs :banghead:
That would be a terrible idea. Selling it means AMD no longer owns it's iGPUs and has to license them, AND depend on a third party for development. The "dGPU" portion really just means a license to use their arch, its not like dGPUs use radically different tech then the rest of RTG.
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#195
Visible Noise
RedelZaVednoThis basically tells us how much AMD values it's Radeon division at least it's dGPU part. None, nada, niente.
For god sake Lisa, please just sell it to whoever. Maybe Arm or Intel or Chinese. You're clearly not interested in retail dGPUs :banghead:
Is there anything left to sell?
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#196
AusWolf
oxrufiioxoThey did say the number one priority is value and that they don't want to release a product that just tanks in price at retail saying only a few RDNA3 gpu were viewed favorably.
That's because the 7600 didn't offer anything on top of the 6650 XT, and the 7800 XT got the wrong name and people assumed that it succeeded the 6800 XT, when in fact, it was priced at 6700 XT level. The 7900 XTX was a good buy until the 4080 Super was released, because the pricing on the vanilla 4080 was a slap in the face. The 7700 XT and 7900 XT were priced way too close to their big brothers so no one cared. They're all solid products, but AMD managed to F it all up mostly with stupid marketing and product placement within the stack.
TheinsanegamerNI never said they did. Do you agree that if AMD's equivalent card is slower then Nvidia's it should be priced lower, even if it is int he same "tier"?
Slower product, lower price, I agree, that's fair. But what's the point here?
Visible NoiseIs there anything left to sell?
Just basically the entirety of the console APU market. Nothing major. ;)
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#197
oxrufiioxo
RedelZaVednoThis basically tells us how much AMD values it's Radeon division at least it's dGPU part. None, nada, niente.
For god sake Lisa, please just sell it to whoever. Maybe Arm or Intel or Chinese. You're clearly not interested in retail dGPUs :banghead:
Maybe AMD's endgame is to drop so low in market share Nvidia is declared a monopoly, and then from the Ashes AMD will return..... jk jk but I don't think it's that dire yet....
AusWolfThat's because the 7600 didn't offer anything on top of the 6650 XT, and the 7800 XT got the wrong name and people assumed that it succeeded the 6800 XT, when in fact, it was priced at 6700 XT level. The 7900 XTX was a good buy until the 4080 Super was released, because the pricing on the vanilla 4080 was a slap in the face. The 7700 XT and 7900 XT were priced way too close to their big brothers so no one cared. They're all solid products, but AMD managed to F it all up mostly with stupid marketing and product placement within the stack.
Everyone but the most diehard amd fanboy knows they fumbled RDNA3 big time and they were coming off some momentum with RDNA2 and squandered it.

Hopefully the 9070XT is good right out of the gate and everyone goes damn that is what I am talking about.
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#198
kapone32
freeagentAny 40 series, 30 series, 20 series, 10 series, and beyond can do more than play games, they can do actual work. Not that I do anything really productive with mine other than F@H now and then, and maybe use my GPU to bust down a video to put on my phone, because it is a lot faster than my CPU.. nothing wrong with Nvidia, you just pay more, but you also get more if you can use it.

And look at RT, how long have AMD users been saying RT sucks, yet AMD disagrees lol..
I see RT just like USB4 something we did not ask for but because of the narrative are given.
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#199
TheinsanegamerN
AusWolfSlower product, lower price, I agree, that's fair. But what's the point here?
Well, ask yourself that question:
AusWolfNo, it's not logical. A GPU costs so much to make and offers so much performance. Why should it be cheaper than the competing product?
If AMD is slower in RT AND in raster compared to nvidia, why is it "not logical" for AMD to be sold significantly cheaper then nvidia? You already agreed that if the card is slower it should be cheaper, so.....
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#200
kapone32
oxrufiioxoEveryone but the most diehard amd fanboy knows they fumbled RDNA3 big time and they were coming off some momentum with RDNA2 and squandered it.

Hopefully the 9070XT is good right out of the gate and everyone goes damn that is what I am talking about.
How was RDNA3 fumbled? The fact that they launched it in Germany?
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