Monday, January 6th 2025
AMD Debuts Radeon RX 9070 XT and RX 9070 Powered by RDNA 4, and FSR 4
AMD at the 2025 International CES announced the Radeon RX 9070 XT and Radeon RX 9070 desktop performance-segment graphics cards. These will be the face of AMD's next generation of gaming graphics products, and will be powered by the new RDNA 4 graphics architecture. AMD hopes to launch both cards within Q1 2025. AMD changed the nomenclature of its gaming GPUs mainly because it has made a tactical retreat from the enthusiast graphics segment, its fastest products will compete in the performance segment. From the way AMD arranged the Radeon RX 9070 series and 9060 series product stack against the backdrop of the Radeon RX 7000 series, the GeForce RTX 4000 series, and the anticipated GeForce RTX 5000 series, the RX 9070 XT will offer performance roughly similar to the Radeon RX 7900 XT in raster, with the RX 9070 being slightly faster than the RX 7800 XT. The RX 9060 XT will beat the RX 7700 XT, while the RX 9060 beats the RX 7600 XT.
With RDNA 4, AMD claims generational SIMD performance increase on the RDNA 4 compute units. The 2nd Gen AI accelerators will boast of generational performance increase, and AMD will debut a locally-accelerated generative AI application down the line, called the AMD Adrenalin AI, which can generate images, summarize documents, and perform some linguistic/grammar tasks (rewriting), and serve as a chatbot for answering AMD-related queries. This is basically AMD's answer to NVIDIA Chat RTX. AMD's 3rd Gen Ray accelerator is expected to reduce the performance cost of ray tracing, by putting more of the ray tracing workload through dedicated hardware, offloading the SIMD engine. Lastly, AMD is expected to significantly upgrade the media acceleration and display I/O of its GPUs.
AMD also announced FidelityFX Super Resolution 4 (FSR 4), which has been developed for RDNA 4 (not sure if it will work on older generations of Radeon). It introduces a new machine learning (ML) based upscaling component to handle Super Resolution. This will be paired with Frame Generation, and an updated Anti-Lag 2, to make up the FSR 4 feature-set. Call of Duty: Black Ops 6 is confirmed to be one of the first titles to utilize FSR 4.
Nearly all AMD add-in board partners (AIBs) are ready with Radeon 9070 series graphics cards, including Acer, ASRock, ASUS, GIGABYTE, Sapphire, PowerColor, XFX, Vastarmor, and Yeston. MSI seems to have discontinued being an AMD AIB.
We also got our first peek at what the "Navi 48" GPU powering the Radeon RX 9070 series looks like—it features an unusual rectangular die with a 2:1 aspect ratio, which seems to lend plausibility to the popular theory that the "Navi 48" is two "Navi 44" dies joined at the hip with full cache-coherency. The GPU is rumored to feature a 256-bit GDDR6 memory interface, and 64 compute units (4,096 stream processors). The "Navi 44," on the other hand, is exactly half of this (128-bit GDDR6, 32 CU). AMD is building the "Navi 48" and "Navi 44" on the TSMC N4P (4 nm EUV) foundry node, on which it is building pretty much its entire current-generation, from mobile processors, to CPU chiplets.
With RDNA 4, AMD claims generational SIMD performance increase on the RDNA 4 compute units. The 2nd Gen AI accelerators will boast of generational performance increase, and AMD will debut a locally-accelerated generative AI application down the line, called the AMD Adrenalin AI, which can generate images, summarize documents, and perform some linguistic/grammar tasks (rewriting), and serve as a chatbot for answering AMD-related queries. This is basically AMD's answer to NVIDIA Chat RTX. AMD's 3rd Gen Ray accelerator is expected to reduce the performance cost of ray tracing, by putting more of the ray tracing workload through dedicated hardware, offloading the SIMD engine. Lastly, AMD is expected to significantly upgrade the media acceleration and display I/O of its GPUs.
We also got our first peek at what the "Navi 48" GPU powering the Radeon RX 9070 series looks like—it features an unusual rectangular die with a 2:1 aspect ratio, which seems to lend plausibility to the popular theory that the "Navi 48" is two "Navi 44" dies joined at the hip with full cache-coherency. The GPU is rumored to feature a 256-bit GDDR6 memory interface, and 64 compute units (4,096 stream processors). The "Navi 44," on the other hand, is exactly half of this (128-bit GDDR6, 32 CU). AMD is building the "Navi 48" and "Navi 44" on the TSMC N4P (4 nm EUV) foundry node, on which it is building pretty much its entire current-generation, from mobile processors, to CPU chiplets.
318 Comments on AMD Debuts Radeon RX 9070 XT and RX 9070 Powered by RDNA 4, and FSR 4
Serious question: Is this somehow more egregious than telling 20 & 30-series RTX owners, "No frame-generation for you."?
I think that however poor it appeared that AMD confined their CES presentation to the CPU-side of things, it would have been absolutely foolish for them to show their cards, (pun-intended), before Nvidia revealed theirs. And, as AusWolf has noted, we still don't have all the details on the 50-series.
Personally, I think it is absolutely pathetic that, after spending high three and four-digit numbers, (dollars/euros), on a brand new, state-of-the-art graphics card with billions of cuda cores/stream processors, millions of ROPS, TMUs, and only God knows what else, we still find ourselves discussing, and sometimes arguing, about a freakin' upscaler.
Upscaling, so, you know, we can almost run a game created using some janky game engine that only five people on planet Earth have a clue how to use properly, but is still somehow becoming the game industry favorite. Or, upscaling to somewhat alleviate the absolute frame-rate blood-letting that takes place when RT kicks in. Hey, we can't live without it, right?
How the hell did we get to this point?
www.techpowerup.com/forums/threads/what-dlss-fsr-upscaling-mode-do-you-use.329987/
It's not an opinion, TAA is absolute crap and proper AA is expensive as hell (computationally I mean). Without upscaling I'd be stuck to a 1440p monitor, because of upscaling I'm on 4k + quality that looks miles better and performs similarly, so yeah.
Negative: They got blindsided by Nvidia's pricing and features and are scrambling to adjust.
Both things could true and false at the same time. At this point all we have is conjecture. Some people may use MSI getting out of Radeon as an example but the truth is that As Rock have been selling as many if not more AMD DGPUs than even Sapphire. That leaves vendors like MSI out in the cold with the pricing. In some cases you can get a As Rock 7900XT for the cost of a high end MSI 7800XT.
We will see. If they are looking for 7900XTX performance and can achieve it for the right price these cards will be a success. I bought a 8600G during Black Friday and have been running through the courses with and it is faster than you expect.You do know there is a TPU poll about Upscaling?
Anyway, I was informed by an old friend of mine who is a bit in the ''inside''. AMD had aggressively priced the 9070/xt and was prepared to showcase it at CES. It was priced to hurt the 5070 hard. 4080 super performance for the cost of a 7800xt. But they heard Nvidia was aggressively pricing the 5070 at $550 in a preemptive response to the 9070. What happens next is anyone's guesss, but I think they will try to market the card at $400 because that was the war plan from the start, to undercut the 5070 by about $150 while offering the same performance and features (FSR 4, frame gen, better encoder etc).
No closed standards.. its just a standard.43% = AMD users
Amd fans dont like DLSS because its works better than AMD FSR
around 90% hate again DLSS or FG comes from butthurt Amd fans.
Tech forums are still full of Amd fans even Nvidia have a marketshare domination.
I just waiting the day when there is no more AMD gpus, and no more AMD gpu fans.
Then we are all big green happy family, enjoying superior DLSS and FG
The only butthurt fan I see here is you.It is funny, but also a bit sad. I don't understand why some human specimens always find a way back to prehistoric tribalism over meaningless matters such as a colour on the box of your graphics card, even after we've achieved so much as a species. :(
www.pcworld.com/article/2569453/qa-amd-execs-explain-ces-gpu-snub-future-strategy-and-more.html
I know that we are in the middle of a dark period for consumers due to corporations worshiping but this is on another level.
Holy lord…
The 256bit memory bus alone nearly guarantees that. And its still using the same process as the 7900xtx did so the clocks can't be dramatically better like they'd need to be to make up for the large difference in compute units.
By all accounts they also didn't do any major ground breaking engineering of compute units, or add the gigantic L2/3 caches that would be necessary to make up for the memory bandwidth, either. The rumors have all been that RDNA4 is basically a bug fixed RDNA3 that exists to be a stop gap solution until they get UDNA out the door hopefully sometime in 2026. Best we could hope for, even with a stock overclocked model with 3x 8 pin power connectors, is something like a 7900xt +10%-ish for pure raster and maybe RT performance on par with a 4070Ti.
Which if they price it right will actually be a solid card that will sell well.
Pricing it right means selling it for like $450 tops though given the 5070 and 5060 pricing + performance. Especially since FSR4 support seems to be mostly mediocre with only maybe 3 big games supporting it.
If they try to price it at $500 while the 5070 is selling for $550 you'll see their market share either stagnate or maybe even drop somewhat further. That would essentially be the same pricing tactics they've been trying now since at least the 6000 series GPU's and its seen them drop to single digit percentage of market share so its clearly not a winning approach.
If they're so foolish to try to price it at $600 or more they'll sell nearly nothing and deserve the financial disaster they get.If that was their goal there is no reason at all why they shouldn't have announced that loud and proud at CES.
That is absolutely a winner of a plan and AMD would know it.
That they suddenly became very hush about 9070 performance and pricing is a huge give away that there is a major issue with those 2 things.
I hear you on the bit bus but look at the 6750XT which is a refined 6700XT and not far away from a Vanilla 6800.
edit: in the end the extra performance has to come from somewhere. Pointing at past models is not a predictor of future performance from different models.