oxrufiioxoLinus was picking out issues running on a 5090 easily in his video.

JustBenchingI'll check it out

oxrufiioxoAgain I don't dislike the technology but I'm not a fan of how it's was presented.

In their 5070=4090 claim with FG 4x of course which one has the lower latency becuase if the latency is significantly higher regardless of how many frames are being generated that isn't true.

oxrufiioxoI'm annoyed with how Nvidia portrayed 50 series but honestly the best announcement is DLSS RR, DLSS SR, and DLAA are getting meaningful improvements and that's coming to all RTX owners.

JustBenchingIve read comments similar to yours a hundred times this past week. You are not doing your side any favors. Honestly, on the list of why im not buying amd GPUs "obnoxious comments by the company's fans" is at the top.

JustBenchingFG doesn't necessarily double your framerate, therefore I assume the new FG isn't going to quadruple them either, so whatever comparison you are trying to make from that screenshot are wrong.

igormpDid you folks like his jacket?

JustBenchingShort work? I wouldn't bet on that, I think the 70ti will be close to the 4080

Vya DomusYes it does double the framerate, that's the whole point, it inserts a frame between every 2 rendered ones thus doubling it. The scaling isn't 100% because it has a cost per interpolated frame.

I think we're entering the realm of some serious coping right here, 2X FG had ~90-95% scaling and clearly 4X has similar scaling as well from 2X perhaps ever so slightly worse, 85-90%. 5080 with no FG is barely any faster than a 4080 Super in this game, the writing is on the wall.

BabaNvidia didn't show any raster gains and AMD didn't even show their GPUs. I was telling people that AMD exited the GPU business. They'll argue that UDNA is coming. They killed off RDNA. They don't want to pour any money into graphics. You'll be gaming on their compute units. It migth work, it might not but they don't care about graphics and they made it very clear.

I was expecting the 5080 on down to be similar to the Super update. Single digit improvements. They focused on everything other than raster. Can't even buy any old stuff. Shelves are clear at Microcenter. 5080 here I come. I can't believe how hard it is to replace my 6950XT. 7900XTX is only 50% gain. 4080 close to the same. I prefer to at least double my fps when I upgrade. This will be the saddest upgrade ever for me. I previously went from 1060 to 6950XT. That's 4-5x fps improvement. Are we reaching diminishing returns? Good news will be that we don't have to upgrade as often with such measly gains.

Vya DomusI think the problem is most of you just don't know math, that's why everybody is so mystified. In reality we have all the information we need.



This is from the same video, 580% to 1000% is a ~72% increase, that's the scaling from 2X to 4X, from the previous screenshot I posted in order to reach a final percentage of 185% on 4X the starting value must be around ~108%.

This puts the 5080 at a meager ~10-8% faster with 2X FG vs 4080 Super.

LittleBroThat's the thing - architectural level inprovements are non existent. Blackwell is shrinked Ada on steroids. Brute force. Nvidia added as much new compute units as was possible and tried to balance it power-wise.

You can tell from 5090's specs that efficiency is also a problem now. 4090 has 5000 shaders less but also much lower TGP than 5090. Were there any significant architectural changes, it would not end like that. Nvidia brute forced everything towards so called AI features (DLSS, FG). Jensen already stated before that this is the only way for new stage of gaming. I have my doubts, though.

As for new DLSS, please, don't say that 4000 series will be deprived of nothing and basically they just won't support something here, something there, there and also there and god knows where epse as well. RTX 4090 is surely capable (hardware-wise) for new DLSS tech when slower 5080 is capable (and anything below 5080 as well). Or change my mind, give me one real reason why 4090 would not be capable.

RTX 5080 will not beat RTX 4090 in native. Because:
- not enough computing power
- that would negatively affect 4090 sales which is Jensen's golden goose, they can't just release something more powerful and price it 20-30% less, or else they would cripple their own sales
- there will be RTX 5080 Ti with around 14k shaders and this one maybe will be on par with 4090

Performance-wise, from best:
RTX 5090
RTX 4090
RTX 5080 Ti (Super) with around 400W TGP
RTX 5080
RTX 5070 Ti (Super)
RTX 5070

DaworaU will be so suprised and silent afther u see 5080 is faster than 4090

QUANTUMPHYSICS5090 would be some ridiculous price..... I expected $1999

oxrufiioxoAgain I don't dislike the technology but I'm not a fan of how it's was presented.

In their 5070=4090 claim with FG 4x of course which one has the lower latency becuase if the latency is significantly higher regardless of how many frames are being generated that isn't true.

wolfOoh he has a new jacket, surely that will be recited in forum comments for years to come.

wheresmycarlol thats ridiculous in itself. Don't fall for the bait-&-anchoring tactic, it's a clever manipulation of expectations designed to make a ridiculous price ($1999) seem reasonable by comparison.

JustBenchingA lot of comments on twitter fell for the 5070 = 4090. What the actual heck :D

Dr. DroHonestly, the 5090 is an unmatched and uncontested halo product, the 5080 is really what they want high-end gamers to buy. I feel Blackwell just about arrived at the performance level, memory capacity and overall engineering quality that I feel like it is a GPU I can own for many years. Ada was not quite there yet.

I got my hands on the expected Brazilian pricing and launch dates, the ones that launch 3 February are pre-orders, the ones 12 and 15 Feb are standard orders. I can't vouch for the authenticity of this list with 100% certainty so take this with a grain of salt, but I think this math is mostly mathin'.



Noteworthy are the MSI Gaming Trio and Gigabyte Windforce cards which look to be quite affordable.

oxrufiioxoBruh, people are simping so hard for Nvidia right now you'd think they were auditioning for the lead role in 50 shades of green....

JustBenchingWell...you know, reminds me of fans of another company :roll:

Anyways, not sure if they are trolling for the clickbait or they actually believe that. EG. wccftech has an article titled "4090 performance for 549$". Tech and gaming journalism has fallen to the religion of clickbaitism.

oxrufiioxo50 shades of Red ran into some budget problems they likely will announce it at a later date when they have time.....

JustBenchingCurious though, what do you think happened? They got some info from what nvidia is going to do at the last minute and bailed to get back to the drawing board? Maybe there wasn't any plan to announce the 9070 at all and people just assumed?

• DisplayPort 2.1b with UHBR20 on all 3 DP connectors.
• PCIe Gen 5. I didn't see link width specified, almost certainly 16x.
• Boost Clocks barely changed from the 40 series.
  • Up: 5070 is +1.2% over 4070 Super. 5080 is +2.4% over 4080 Super.
  • Down: 5070 Ti is -6.5% under 4070 Ti Super. 5090 is -4.6% under 4090.
• More and faster video encoders/decoders.
  • 5080 has 2x NVENC and 2x NVDEC, vs. 4080's 2x/1x. 5090 is 3x/2x vs. 4090's 2x/1x.
  • 50 series NVDEC has "2x the decode speed for H.264 video"

oxrufiioxoWho knows with AMD man they bail on their own prices after Reviewers are like this sucks.... They also thought the 7900XT would fly off shelves according to reviewers..... If they were going to come out with 7900XT like performance with better RT at 399 like the AMD fanboys are hoping they would have announced it the thing now is even if it's 499 people will probably be disappointed.

I hope it's an amazing card but AMD doesn't seem the most confident about it but who knows hopefully we get the full picture soon... We don't even know how good the 5070 is unless people think being able to use MF FG is worth 550 usd because we know it can do that.

JustBenchingA lot of comments on twitter fell for the 5070 = 4090. What the actual heck :D

Vayra86Frankly I think they simply can't get that RT performance up at all, and that's what we're seeing unfold in front of us right now. They can't figure it out. Intel probably still scales better with it. Nvidia is somewhere in the distance. And the unholy combo with FSR/FG is probably even worse.

Look at FSR. Surpassed on all fronts by both green and blue. RT: was supposed to already be improved in RDNA3. It just ain't happening. The talent drain due to lack of investment is real and the old boys don't understand it.

I think the 'we go midrange' announcement was already heavy cope for their lack of development. They already were moving in various ways with 'RDNA 3.5' and what not. We've seen this a dozen times before in the last few decades. RTG is too slow and lacks competence on many if not all fronts.

oxrufiioxoHonestly I think they made a big bet on MCM for the gaming division hoping for a Zen moment and it did not pan out.... Sounds like they did have a high end RDNA4 chip planned but canceled it.

The reality is the low end stuff from Nvidia is getting worse and worse and AMD isn't offering alternatives that get people excited. If RDNA4 is a bust lets hope UDNA is the answer.

oxrufiioxoHonestly I think they made a big bet on MCM for the gaming division hoping for a Zen moment and it did not pan out.... Sounds like they did have a high end RDNA4 chip planned but canceled it.

The reality is the low end stuff from Nvidia is getting worse and worse and AMD isn't offering alternatives that get people excited. If RDNA4 is a bust lets hope UDNA is the answer.

JustBenchingIsn't the 9060 rumored to be an 8gb card? That will show them (nvidia ain't any better in this department, but at least they have a reason being stingy with vram)

Vayra86Yeah MCM or not, even if they had a bigger chip, they should have also had RT performance laying on the shelf to go with it. Which they might not have after all; RDNA3 was supposed to perform better even regardless of MCM.