Thursday, January 30th 2025

AMD Radeon 9070 XT Rumored to Outpace RTX 5070 Ti by Almost 15%

It would be fair to say that the GeForce RTX 5080 has been quite disappointing, being roughly 16% faster in gaming than the RTX 4080 Super. Unsurprisingly, this gives AMD a lot of opportunity to offer excellent price-to-performance with its upcoming RDNA 4 GPUs, considering that the RTX 5070 and RTX 5070 Ti aren't really expected to pull off any miracles. According to a recent tidbit shared by the renowned leaker Moore's Law is Dead, the Radeon RX 9070 XT is expected to be around 3% faster than the RTX 4080, if AMD's internal performance goals are anything to go by. MLID also notes that RDNA 4's performance is improving by roughly around 1% each month, which makes it quite likely that the RDNA 4 cards will exceed the targets.

If it does turn out that way, the Radeon RX 9070 XT, according to MLID, should be roughly around 15% faster than its competitor from the Green Camp, the RTX 5070 Ti, and roughly match the RTX 4080 Super in gaming performance. The Radeon RX 9070, on the other hand, is expected to be around 12% faster than the RTX 5070. Of course, these performance improvements are limited to rasterization performance, and when ray tracing is brought to the scene, the performance improvements are expected to be substantially more modest, as per tradition. Citing our data for Cyberpunk 4K with RT, MLID stated that his sources indicate that the RX 9070 XT falls somewhere between the RTX 4070 Ti Super and RTX 3090 Ti, whereas the RX 9070 should likely trade blows with the RTX 4070 Super. Considering AMD's track record with ray tracing, this sure does sound quite enticing.

Of course, it will all boil down to pricing once the RDNA 4 cards hit the scene. If AMD does manage to undercut its competitors from NVIDIA by a reasonable margin, there is no doubt that RDNA 4 will be the better choice for most people. However, with NVIDIA's undeniable lead in ray tracing, paired with DLSS 4, will presumably make things more complicated than ever before. It is unclear what AMD has up its sleeve with FSR 4. Recent rumors do point at pretty good compatibility, but as with all rumors, be sure to accept any pre-release whispers with a grain of salt.
Source: MLID via YouTube
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304 Comments on AMD Radeon 9070 XT Rumored to Outpace RTX 5070 Ti by Almost 15%

#276
3valatzy
AusWolfDo you know how much the 9070 XT will cost?
900$ with performance between 7800 XT and 7900 GRE.
Explanation: greed, inflation, low availability and scalpers.
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#277
AusWolf
3valatzy900$ with performance between 7800 XT and 7900 GRE.
Explanation: greed, inflation, low availability and scalpers.
I'm not sure if you intended this post as sarcasm. I'll just assume that you did. ;)
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#278
3valatzy
AusWolfI'm not sure if you intended this post as sarcasm. I'll just assume that you did. ;)
The realist me. The optimist would like to see RX 7900 XTX performance for 399$, but it's not happening.
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#279
AusWolf
3valatzyThe realist me.
So you think we're gonna see 2023 $500 level performance for $900 this time? And if you were AMD, how would you justify it? If you really think this seriously, I'd suggest seeing your doctor.
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#280
3valatzy
AusWolfSo you think we're gonna see 2023 $500 level performance for $900 this time? And if you were AMD, how would you justify it? If you really think this seriously, I'd suggest seeing your doctor.
Remember the covid-19 and mining times?
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#281
AusWolf
3valatzyRemember the covid-19 and mining times?
Covid and mining didn't affect MSRP, only retail availability and scalping.

Remember the 5080? Even Nvidia wasn't daft to price it higher than last gen's equal performer. What makes you think AMD would pull something like that?
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#282
Bronan
All the hype and nonsense posts that AMD has to sell a card for scraps money :rolleyes:
I am happy that they do not rush it on the market and take their time to get as much improvements as possible before the release on the market.
To be honest i would not even care if it would be launched in august, because then i can ask my friends to give me the card when i became again much older :roll:
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#283
Kryger91
If they slot the 9070xt reference model at $600 and the 9070 at $450 they would absolutely sweep the competition, in terms of cost per frame.
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#284
Dahita
3valatzy900$ with performance between 7800 XT and 7900 GRE.
Explanation: greed, inflation, low availability and scalpers.
But let's stop blaming everything on scalpers. They are not to blame in Nvidia's current shortage. Nvidia's purposefully releasing fewer graphic cards to make room to produce more A100 and H100 for data centers and AI, which is much more lucrative. Thus, scarcity looks like high demand and prices remain high. They win on every count.

Scalpers wouldn't be able to scalp if stores were filled with products.
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#285
AusWolf
DahitaBut let's stop blaming everything on scalpers. They are not to blame in Nvidia's current shortage. Nvidia's purposefully releasing fewer graphic cards to make room to produce more A100 and H100 for data centers and AI, which is much more lucrative. Thus, scarcity looks like high demand and prices remain high. They win on every count.

Scalpers wouldn't be able to scalp if stores were filled with products.
That, and chips being reserved for the Super cards most probably.
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#286
medi01
Kryger91If they slot the 9070xt reference model at $600 and the 9070 at $450 they would absolutely sweep the competition, in terms of cost per frame.
Nah. "but awesome features", and "buh a handful of games with (fake) full RT"., and "buh reasons" is eternal.
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#287
Broken Processor
The Norwegian Drone PilotDoesn't help AMD anything at all on having 15% more performance here when AMD lacks all of the great features the NVIDIA GPU have. I would gladly have 10-15% lower performance in trade for the awesome features the NVIDIA GPUs comes with.

The awesome feature set is one of the reasons why NVIDIA sells like hot cakes.
What features? How do they improve you user experience compared to AMD's feature stack?
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#288
The Norwegian Drone Pilot
Broken ProcessorWhat features? How do they improve you user experience compared to AMD's feature stack?
1. 'RTX HDR'. Takes any SDR games without HDR support and converts them into real HDR. AMD can't do this. They only support HDR in games if the games supports it natively. And yes, I do have a display that supports HDR. So, this feature is worth A LOT.

2. 'RTX Video HDR'. It uses AI and RTX Tensor Cores to dynamically remap Standard Dynamic Range (SDR) video content to High Dynamic Range (HDR10) quality video, improving visibility, details, and vibrance of streamed video. Note that you will need an HDR compatible display to be able to use this feature.

This also works on locally stored videos on your computer.

3. 'RTX Video Super Resolution (VSR). It's a video upscaling technology that uses AI and RTX Tensor Cores to improve the quality of video by removing blocky compression artifacts and upscaling video resolution. This improves video sharpness and clarity, and lets people watch local and online content, for example from Twitch or YouTube in their native display resolution, even if they are on a 4K high-resolution display.

AMD might have something similar, but it only works in the web browser if I have understood it correct.

4. 'CUDA-cores'. It has a huge support in many programs over what the similar feature to AMD has.

5. 'Tensor-cores'. As mentioned over. This thing can be used to many different things.

6. Lower power usage. This will come handy in Mini-ITX computers (like I have) as they won't cook the rest of the computer.

7. And lastly. You know what you get with NVIDIA, and we know that we get high-quality features, every time.

All of those features mentioned over are worth like 200-250 dollars on a NVIDIA GPU alone for me.

So, changing GPU brand just to change is not what we want.

And as I'm doing 60% productivity / video editing / normal usage and 40% gaming now, then a NVIDIA card will always be better. AMD GPUs are more focused towards pure gaming and for those who do pure raster FPS chasing.
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#289
Contra
@The Norwegian Drone Pilot

Of course, you'll excuse me, but I haven't seen a more hilarious comment for a long time)
You read all this for the first time when you wrote this post, and from your comments it's clear that you don't even know what you're writing about)
That's why you simply copied all this marketing nonsense from the advertising brochure;)
Don't be offended, but no one needs this information - it's well-known, but it doesn't carry any semantic load and doesn't explain anything
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#290
The Norwegian Drone Pilot
Contra@The Norwegian Drone Pilot

Of course, you'll excuse me, but I haven't seen a more hilarious comment for a long time)
You read all this for the first time when you wrote this post, and from your comments it's clear that you don't even know what you're writing about)
That's why you simply copied all this marketing nonsense from the advertising brochure;)
Don't be offended, but no one needs this information - it's well-known, but it doesn't carry any semantic load and doesn't explain anything
Doesn't change the fact that the features are still there on the NVIDIA GPUs and the fact that I simply use all of those features every single day like many others are doing as well. I copied the explanations from the advertising brochure just so everyone would understand what the different features is.

It simply just explains why most people prefer NVIDIA GPUs over AMD GPUs. Simply because the NVIDIA GPUs offer WAAAAY more than just pure gaming things. Yes, most peoples do many more things on their computers than just gaming, even those who call themself for gamers.

There is a very very good reason why AMD is almost non-existent in the market. Because they simply don't understand what most people actually want in a GPU. Having lower prices (by 20-25%) is not enough in a lightyear.

So, what exactly are so hilarious with my comment?
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#291
Broken Processor
The Norwegian Drone Pilot1. 'RTX HDR'. Takes any SDR games without HDR support and converts them into real HDR. AMD can't do this. They only support HDR in games if the games supports it natively. And yes, I do have a display that supports HDR. So, this feature is worth A LOT.

2. 'RTX Video HDR'. It uses AI and RTX Tensor Cores to dynamically remap Standard Dynamic Range (SDR) video content to High Dynamic Range (HDR10) quality video, improving visibility, details, and vibrance of streamed video. Note that you will need an HDR compatible display to be able to use this feature.

This also works on locally stored videos on your computer.

3. 'RTX Video Super Resolution (VSR). It's a video upscaling technology that uses AI and RTX Tensor Cores to improve the quality of video by removing blocky compression artifacts and upscaling video resolution. This improves video sharpness and clarity, and lets people watch local and online content, for example from Twitch or YouTube in their native display resolution, even if they are on a 4K high-resolution display.

AMD might have something similar, but it only works in the web browser if I have understood it correct.

4. 'CUDA-cores'. It has a huge support in many programs over what the similar feature to AMD has.

5. 'Tensor-cores'. As mentioned over. This thing can be used to many different things.

6. Lower power usage. This will come handy in Mini-ITX computers (like I have) as they won't cook the rest of the computer.

7. And lastly. You know what you get with NVIDIA, and we know that we get high-quality features, every time.

All of those features mentioned over are worth like 200-250 dollars on a NVIDIA GPU alone for me.

So, changing GPU brand just to change is not what we want.

And as I'm doing 60% productivity / video editing / normal usage and 40% gaming now, then a NVIDIA card will always be better. AMD GPUs are more focused towards pure gaming and for those who do pure raster FPS chasing.
Some good points but mostly bollox.
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#292
The Norwegian Drone Pilot
Broken ProcessorSome good points but mostly bollox.
And why is it bollox?

They are very useful for many.
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#293
kapone32
JustBenchingDo you understand what performance per dollar is?

I think every review is amd biased since they get amd cards for free.
Meanwhile all TPU staff got Nvidia GPUs from PNY.
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#294
freeagent
kapone32Meanwhile all TPU staff got Nvidia GPUs from PNY.
I wish.
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#295
kapone32
freeagentI wish.
I guess only reviewers then. It was quite the post.
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#296
freeagent
kapone32I guess only reviewers then. It was quite the post.
I had my shot, but didn't take it. Maybe next time :D
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#297
ThomasK
The Norwegian Drone Pilot6. Lower power usage. This will come handy in Mini-ITX computers (like I have) as they won't cook the rest of the computer.
What cave have you been living in? The RTX 5090 just launched, pulling close to 600w.
The Norwegian Drone Pilot7. And lastly. You know what you get with NVIDIA, and we know that we get high-quality features, every time.
"We get"? Are you talking on behalf of who? Yourself only or the entire fanboy community?
The Norwegian Drone PilotAll of those features mentioned over are worth like 200-250 dollars on a NVIDIA GPU alone for me.
You're the only one saying that here, without any data to back you up. And trust me, amd isn't going to sell you anything at a loss, just because your "perceived value" lies elsewhere. It is a company that exists to make money, and all of 'em have to pay TSMC at the end of the month.

You gave yourself the trouble of looking through nvidias pr material, just to copy and paste it here, and it ain't helping you out.
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#298
AusWolf
ThomasKYou're the only one saying that here, without any data to back you up. And trust me, amd isn't going to sell you anything at a loss, just because your "perceived value" lies elsewhere. It is a company that exists to make money, and all of 'em have to pay TSMC at the end of the month.

You gave yourself the trouble of looking through nvidias pr material, just to copy and paste it here, and it ain't helping you out.
Don't waste your breath. When AMD was $50 cheaper all across the board, your typical Nvidia fan demanded a $100 discount. Now that we have news of AMD coming with a $150 lower price tag, it's suddenly a $200 discount they want. If AMD came in at $500 lower, I'm sure it would still be shit because it's not $600. The goalpost always moves.
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#299
The Norwegian Drone Pilot
ThomasKWhat cave have you been living in? The RTX 5090 just launched, pulling close to 600w.
Look at all of the other 4000 & 5000 series GPUs from NVIDIA though. They all use less power compared to their AMD GPU counterpart. The 5090 is something most aren't going to buy anyways, because it's out of their reach money wise, so I don't include it. I do it because it's a double monster over what the 5080 is.
"We get"? Are you talking on behalf of who? Yourself only or the entire fanboy community?
Maybe you should look on the market share to NVIDIA and figure out why so many peoples are buying their GPUs and why the market for AMD GPUs are like a complete ghost town out in the desert?
*Hint. It's not just because of marketing, but because of many useful features the AMD GPUs doesn't have, like I have written down over.
You're the only one saying that here, without any data to back you up. And trust me, amd isn't going to sell you anything at a loss, just because your "perceived value" lies elsewhere. It is a company that exists to make money, and all of 'em have to pay TSMC at the end of the month.
The reason NVIDIA sells like hot cakes, is simply because all know what they get and know that they will get good and high-quality features. We get that every time a new NVIDIA GPU generation comes out. Why do you think people buy NVIDIA GPUs over and over and over?

Go figure.
You gave yourself the trouble of looking through nvidias pr material, just to copy and paste it here, and it ain't helping you out.
Why waste time when you can save time by copying what the features does directly from NVIDIA when I would just explain it the same way anyways without taking it from NVIDIA. The features would not be explained any different or explained what it does in a different way no matter how I would write it.

Also, you seem be upset because I am merely presenting the hard facts about why many people are purchasing NVIDIA GPUs like hot cakes and why most will not switch to AMD GPUs simply for the sake of change.
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#300
grammar_phreak
Yeah about that...... history shows that people should keep their expectations in check when it comes to RTG Graphics cards. Rumors also said the Vega 64 could take on the 1080ti, the 7900xtx was supposed to put up a good showing against the 4090, and Fiji was supposed to be the most wonderful thing ever.

If the 9070xt actually does come close to the 5070ti, then it's power budget will likely be higher than the 5080 or it will come close to the 4090.

What AMD/RTG needs to do is look at improving their relationship with OEM's. They can't pick up marketshare if System Integrators like CyberpowerPC won't use their cards.
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