Thursday, January 30th 2025
AMD Radeon 9070 XT Rumored to Outpace RTX 5070 Ti by Almost 15%
It would be fair to say that the GeForce RTX 5080 has been quite disappointing, being roughly 16% faster in gaming than the RTX 4080 Super. Unsurprisingly, this gives AMD a lot of opportunity to offer excellent price-to-performance with its upcoming RDNA 4 GPUs, considering that the RTX 5070 and RTX 5070 Ti aren't really expected to pull off any miracles. According to a recent tidbit shared by the renowned leaker Moore's Law is Dead, the Radeon RX 9070 XT is expected to be around 3% faster than the RTX 4080, if AMD's internal performance goals are anything to go by. MLID also notes that RDNA 4's performance is improving by roughly around 1% each month, which makes it quite likely that the RDNA 4 cards will exceed the targets.
If it does turn out that way, the Radeon RX 9070 XT, according to MLID, should be roughly around 15% faster than its competitor from the Green Camp, the RTX 5070 Ti, and roughly match the RTX 4080 Super in gaming performance. The Radeon RX 9070, on the other hand, is expected to be around 12% faster than the RTX 5070. Of course, these performance improvements are limited to rasterization performance, and when ray tracing is brought to the scene, the performance improvements are expected to be substantially more modest, as per tradition. Citing our data for Cyberpunk 4K with RT, MLID stated that his sources indicate that the RX 9070 XT falls somewhere between the RTX 4070 Ti Super and RTX 3090 Ti, whereas the RX 9070 should likely trade blows with the RTX 4070 Super. Considering AMD's track record with ray tracing, this sure does sound quite enticing.
Of course, it will all boil down to pricing once the RDNA 4 cards hit the scene. If AMD does manage to undercut its competitors from NVIDIA by a reasonable margin, there is no doubt that RDNA 4 will be the better choice for most people. However, with NVIDIA's undeniable lead in ray tracing, paired with DLSS 4, will presumably make things more complicated than ever before. It is unclear what AMD has up its sleeve with FSR 4. Recent rumors do point at pretty good compatibility, but as with all rumors, be sure to accept any pre-release whispers with a grain of salt.
Source:
MLID via YouTube
If it does turn out that way, the Radeon RX 9070 XT, according to MLID, should be roughly around 15% faster than its competitor from the Green Camp, the RTX 5070 Ti, and roughly match the RTX 4080 Super in gaming performance. The Radeon RX 9070, on the other hand, is expected to be around 12% faster than the RTX 5070. Of course, these performance improvements are limited to rasterization performance, and when ray tracing is brought to the scene, the performance improvements are expected to be substantially more modest, as per tradition. Citing our data for Cyberpunk 4K with RT, MLID stated that his sources indicate that the RX 9070 XT falls somewhere between the RTX 4070 Ti Super and RTX 3090 Ti, whereas the RX 9070 should likely trade blows with the RTX 4070 Super. Considering AMD's track record with ray tracing, this sure does sound quite enticing.
304 Comments on AMD Radeon 9070 XT Rumored to Outpace RTX 5070 Ti by Almost 15%
My last guess was conservative, a more hopeful outlook:
9070xt ~ 7900xt raster / 4080 ray - $550 and up
9070 ~ 7900gre raster / 4070 super ray - $450 and up
9060xt ~ 7800xt raster / 4070 ray - $400
This cycle always repeat new gen consoles arrive VRAM requirement increase.
Today 32GB will be nice for LLM or other work application.
As for L2, Ada only does a two tier cache subsystem so their L2 also works to prevent memory bandwidth bottlenecks as compute capacity gets scaled up. RDNA2/3's does 4 way though, and L2 plays a smaller role and L3/Infinity cache rather deals with preventing bandwidth bottlenecks. I can see them rebalancing L2 size along with infinity cache, it's a given because it'll depend on memory configuration and compute throughput among other things. I didn't claim anything about no changes though, nor did i recommend anything specific about L3/IC or memory so i'm not sure what you meant?
Also, HUBs comment, to go lower price upfront, instead of opening with higher MSRP and dropping it later, makes a lot of sense
Reviews rate cards based on MSRP.Why are you comparing MSRP to MSRP for NV cards and discounted last gen price to MSRP for AMD cards?
Also, 680 Euro is the cheapest I see here, with most being 700:
geizhals.de/?fs=7900xt&hloc=at&hloc=de
In your comment you confirmed the statement that RDNA3 has no architectural improvements, there is a clock speed deficit compared to RDNA2 and the cache/memory setup should be like NV. Sorry, this is shocking
I didn't state RDNA3 has no architectural improvements though, in fact i was referring to the same C&C article you linked and am well aware of the improvements even without factoring in the dual-issue throughput increases. I merely stated that the uplift was less than they expected partly due to them not hitting their clockspeed targets. I can't remember exactly what it was, but I vaguely remember it being around 9.5% vs a ~18% target. A 6950XT reference has an average clockspeed of around 2.4ghz during gaming workloads. 7900xtx reference does around 2.63ghz. 18% would've been ~2.84ghz, which would've changed things up a bit. It's also apparent when looking at the overclocking results how much it would impact performance because the arch itself responds very well to clockspeed increase.
The RX7600 article you linked actually made me realise something I probably should have thought of earlier - we can extrapolate data from there to figure out what a monolithic die would do for L2/VRAM latency. Looks like it's not so insignificant even factoring in smaller gpu's inherent latency advantage - so my initial post about a monolithic ~450mm 7900xtx with 10% higher average clocks landing not too far off a 4090 in raster was plausible.
Look, I will sing AMD's praised if I am wrong, but really, they need to blow Nvidia out on either price or performance or both, not sort of with both, bigly with at least one or both. 5070 Ti for 5070 money, is what they need, but we both know they are too "in bed" with nvidia to do that. Every single time nvidia does crazy with prices, AMD just slots in underneath them and then acts like all of us will sing their praise.
It never happens and it never will. I mean, its very VERY clear what to do - Intel released affordable trash and got praised a ton. So. AMD better make them prices great or they get kiss my butt and they can also kiss any gain in market share goodbye - that is, if they ever care.
But here so many people do not care one bit just whining that AMD is a bad company who does make bad hardware, the same goes for Intel products they are bad and not worth your money
Apparently people lost their brains in the real world they all make good cards and no i do not care if it has whatever logic to improve the game with things i find not worth my money
But it does not matter what i think most here are babling like ngreedia is the only vendor on the planet which makes good cards
And you pay a nice high price for your love for this company, a very smart choice .......
So now you all can react with your negative biased comments i will not read them anyway
I am sick of the insane love for a company who is selling cards which should not exist and keeps selling them for insane high prices yes the ti / super or whatever they cook up nonsense.
It is amazing that almosy 80% of the world think that the competition has bad products or are underwhelming which is again clear nonsense
All the clickbaity sheep in the video world don't make it any better either by not even mentioning the competition but rather compare nvidia's product stack.
There were times when 7800xt was priced close to 4060Ti's. You know, the card that's faster in both raster and RT. Sales comparison? Don't even mention it.
It is what it is but it will change at some point.
In Latvia RX 7800 XT costs the same as RTX 4060 Ti 16GB and that says a lot.
I guess you forgot that AMD doesn't think ray tracing sucks as much as their users do.
Mind you, i'm not talking about RT itself but rather their current implementation. In all these game engines where RT is tacked on, visuals either improve slightly or don't. Or they get worse. But the performance hit is absolutely immense. HUB did a nice little RT roundup which I think it was posted here a few weeks ago which mostly aligns with my views as well.
There's a time and place for everything. Lumen is a step in the right direction but there's a long way to go.Can you send me the 9070XT benchmarks please? And the price? Not the first post where you talk about the 9070XT like it has already been released. Give it a break.
I kid I kid :laugh:
wccftech.com/nvidia-geforce-rtx-5090-5090d-gpus-getting-bricked-possibly-driver-bios-pcie-issues/Couldn't Agree more lol
Edit: I shouldn't be laughing at this, but the sheer number of "AMD makes crappy drivers" posts I've seen pop up in the forum (by a select few users I might add) kind of makes me. :oops: