Yes
AMD too
Apple too
Huawei too ...

Aleksander, Ampere not Volta chips as 30x0 series.

NVIDIA is Secretly doing what they have been secretly doing for over 20 years...

And Intel asked, what is 5 nm?

davidenecoYes
AMD too
Apple too
Huawei too ...

Wrong, previously Nvidia was corresponding with Samsung in this generation.

mtcn77Wrong, previously Nvidia was corresponding with Samsung in this generation.

We will see ;)

davidenecoWe will see ;)

Yes, there are lots of releases to see this time.

davidenecoYes
AMD too
Apple too
Huawei too ...

right? you are telling me companies are looking towards and working towards the future? like how GTA6 started development in 2014? no freaking way dude

but yeah onto the article, it would be interesting if Nintendo already has a contract with Nvidia for a next console.

mtcn77Wrong, previously Nvidia was corresponding with Samsung in this generation.

They're using both Samsung and TSMC, which is nothing new, they've used Samsung previously for their lowest end chips.

For 7nm, NVIDIA has specifically confirmed that TSMC will still get the majority of their chip orders (meaning majority of their chips are designed for TSMCs process), Samsung gets less. What the exact chip split will be this time around remains to be seen.

Tagging @AleksandarK too because this is relevant for the news, which has misleading information in it suggesting only Samsung as the partner for 7nm.

KaotikThey're using both Samsung and TSMC, which is nothing new, they've used Samsung previously for their lowest end chips.

For 7nm, NVIDIA has specifically confirmed that TSMC will still get the majority of their chip orders (meaning majority of their chips are designed for TSMCs process), Samsung gets less. What the exact chip split will be this time around remains to be seen.

Tagging @AleksandarK too because this is relevant for the news, which has misleading information in it suggesting only Samsung as the partner for 7nm.

I am aware of this, however, it's still unknown how that will play out. Until then let's keep it as Samsung only, and as more info surfaces I shall update accordingly.

AleksandarKI am aware of this, however, it's still unknown how that will play out. Until then let's keep it as Samsung only, and as more info surfaces I shall update accordingly.

So ignoring it was the answer? Yikes.

We KNOW they will use both.
www.google.com/amp/s/www.tweaktown.com/news/69424/tsmc-handle-nvidias-next-gen-7nm-ampere-gpus/amp.html

Non-publicized is not the same as secret. So this news post ought to be retitled "Chip design company reportedly working on future chip design", which would again clarify that this is not news.

ValantarNon-publicized is not the same as secret. So this news post ought to be retitled "Chip design company reportedly working on future chip design", which would again clarify that this is not news.

Correct.

If more than one person knows about it, it's not a secret.

delshayCorrect.

If more than one person knows about it, it's not a secret.

To be precise: as soon as a clueless news outlet reports it as "secret", it's no longer secret.

EarthDogSo ignoring it was the answer? Yikes.

We KNOW they will use both.
www.google.com/amp/s/www.tweaktown.com/news/69424/tsmc-handle-nvidias-next-gen-7nm-ampere-gpus/amp.html

But... but.... but.... Where are Nvidia's 7nm chips? :confused:

delshayCorrect.

If more than one person knows about it, it's not a secret.

Except classified information which is known for a certain circle of people.

ARFBut... but.... but.... Where are Nvidia's 7nm chips?

But....but...but... Ampre.


.... which many other reputable outlets have reported on (as linked) previously.

You dont just leave that part out and make up part of the story.

Edit: amd and nvidia just bought out the remainder of tsmc's capacity as well. Makes sense to use sammy too as was reported months ago.

AleksandarKI am aware of this, however, it's still unknown how that will play out. Until then let's keep it as Samsung only, and as more info surfaces I shall update accordingly.

How Samsung only when it's TSMC N5 only? :confused:
N7 will be both but Samsung has no 5nm process.

EarthDogBut....but...but... Ampre.

I didn't ask about the press but where can you buy actual Nvidia 7nm graphics chip? What products? If there are no products, when will there be, etc?

ARFI didn't ask about the press but where can you buy actual Nvidia 7nm graphics chip? What products? If there are no products, when will there be, etc?

Seriously, Alf? You need the card in hand? Use your head or move along, please...

EarthDogSeriously, Alf? Move along, please...

Why?! AMD's Radeon VII with Vega 20 on TSMC N7 node was released LAST year in January.
I am asking seriously, you are hiding from the question.

ARFWhy?! AMD's Radeon VII with Vega 20 on TSMC N7 node was released LAST year in January.
I am asking seriously, you are hiding from the question.

I'm not hiding from shit except going down your troll holes.

Ampre is built on 7nm and will use capacity from tsmc and samsung. We'll see this card in a few months.

EarthDogI'm not hiding from shit except going down your troll holes.

Ampre is built on 7nm and will use capacity from tsmc and samsung. We'll see this card in a few months.

You are not seriousif you think I'm trolling. I'm in reality anxious about the lack of any new products from both. Which means that if Nvidia had anything new, maybe that would forced AMD to launch Navi 2X faster, which is what I am waiting for.

AssimilatorTo be precise: as soon as a clueless news outlet reports it as "secret", it's no longer secret.

Nice one. Giving you a like. You made me laugh.

ARFYou are not seriousif you think I'm trolling. I'm in reality anxious about the lack of any new products from both. Which means that if Nvidia had anything new, maybe that would forced AMD to launch Navi 2X faster, which is what I am waiting for.

I am serious. It feels like you are trolling at worst making misinformed assumptions at best.

Nvidia will be using capacity from TSMC and Samsung as been reported previously months ago. You dont just ignore that because 'you(author) dont know'. ;)

Move along, Alf. Not doing it kiddo. :)

EarthDogNvidia will be using capacity from TSMC and Samsung as been reported previously months ago.

Are the products taped-out or they are waiting a future tape-out in the next months?

AssimilatorTo be precise: as soon as a clueless news outlet reports it as "secret", it's no longer secret.

To be even more precise: just because the subject of a piece of information is not yet ready for publication does not mean that it is a secret per se, it just means that it is yet to be disclosed. Of course one could call this a trade secret, but then all chips are trade secrets if you look closely enough even when they are on the market - it's not like the designs are publicized below a very high level overview, after all. That a designer and maker of high end computer chips is working on a chip for an upcoming high end production node does thus not qualify as a "secret" IMO - it's both the most blindingly obvious thing ever (as they will be working on chips for all major nodes going forward, long before said nodes are available), and too general a piece of information to warrant actively keeping secret. What's next, is it a secret that Nvidia's design labs use electricity simply because they don't publicize it?

ARFWhy?! AMD's Radeon VII with Vega 20 on TSMC N7 node was released LAST year in January.
I am asking seriously, you are hiding from the question.

You know how product launches work, right? You announce a product when mass production has been going for long enough that the product can reach customers within a reasonable amount of time. In other words: while there are rumors galore about GPU designs both one and two years out, you don't ever get official commentary on them before the maker is ready to put them to market. Indirect information might be given out - such as updates on new architectures or related products for other markets (HPC/server/etc.) - but beyond that there won't be a peep from Nvidia until they are, at the very least, ready to give a launch event date. And so far Nvidia has had little reason to move on to the more expensive TSMC 7nm node as 12nm is cheap and still has them at efficiency parity/a small lead compared to RDNA 1, with a solid lead in absolute performance. They launched the Super lineup to compete better with RDNA, which gives them a further holdover period before they need to launch a new architecture - though competition is likely to heat up later this year. There's also the potential issue of die sizes, with Turing dice being massive which is problematic on smaller nodes. This might not be an outright issue, but it sure is good reason for Nvidia to hold off on adopting newer and smaller nodes until they have to, as even a 2080Ti shrunk to TSMC 7nm would be around the reticle limit for that node, which would both hurt yields and give little-to-no room for performance increases.