NoyandThe difference is that Lisa mostly talks in conferences, when Pat talks everywhere.

lexluthermiesterWhile true, comparing tasks of a similar nature can easily be compared. Additionally, there are a number of benchmark utilities that are compiled for both platforms and many OSes.

WirkoI was just bothered by the mention of IPC. Maybe I'm just nitpicky (is that a word?) and should accept that IPC is sometimes used in its more-than-broadest sense without causing too much confusion.

trparkyThat speaks to the desperation that Intel has found themselves in.

trparkyMeanwhile, Lisa Su doesn't have to brag; the hardware itself speaks for AMD's prowess.

trparkyThey're no longer king of the hill and Pat can't stand that.

lexluthermiesterYup, nitpicky is a word. RISC vs CISC IPC is an undying debate. Each has it's advantages, each has it's drawbacks. Comparing the two to each other is never a perfectly straight forward task and likely never will be. However, arriving at a conclusion based on a task by task analysis can give enough information to arrive at a finding which has merit. It's never perfect, but close enough. And in reality, Apple's Mseries SOCs are very solid and well performing. Make no mistake though, they can never replace CISC out-right without becoming CISC to some degree.

lexluthermiesterAnd here's the other thing Intel has to adapt to and yet AMD is in the same situation Vs ARM.

trparkyBut what about the fact that modern day CISC-based chips aren't really CISC under the hood? They have instruction decoders that break down the CISC instructions to RISC instructions.

trparkyAMD has ARM chips in the works

trparkythe only big name chip producer that doesn't is Intel.

lexluthermiesterYup, nitpicky is a word. RISC vs CISC IPC is an undying debate. Each has it's advantages, each has it's drawbacks. Comparing the two to each other is never a perfectly straight forward task and likely never will be. However, arriving at a conclusion based on a task by task analysis can give enough information to arrive at a finding which has merit. It's never perfect, but close enough. And in reality, Apple's Mseries SOCs are very solid and well performing. Make no mistake though, they can never replace CISC out-right without becoming CISC to some degree.


Desperation is not the right word. Intel has to adapt to the ever evolving reality that ARM is as prevalent as CISC once was.

And here's the other thing Intel has to adapt to and yet AMD is in the same situation Vs ARM.

That is an over-reaction, though likely in the ballpark. No one who is King of their particular hill wants to loose it..