Thursday, July 11th 2024
AMD Plans to Use Glass Substrates in its 2025/2026 Lineup of High-Performance Processors
AMD reportedly plans to incorporate glass substrates into its high-performance system-in-packages (SiPs) sometimes between 2025 and 2026. Glass substrates offer several advantages over traditional organic substrates, including superior flatness, thermal properties, and mechanical strength. These characteristics make them well-suited for advanced SiPs containing multiple chiplets, especially in data center applications where performance and durability are critical. The adoption of glass substrates aligns with the industry's broader trend towards more complex chip designs. As leading-edge process technologies become increasingly expensive and yield gains diminish, manufacturers turn to multi-chiplet designs to improve performance. AMD's current EPYC server processors already incorporate up to 13 chiplets, while its Instinct AI accelerators feature 22 pieces of silicon. A more extreme testament is Intel's Ponte Vecchio, which utilized 63 tiles in a single package.
Glass substrates could enable AMD to create even more complex designs without relying on costly interposers, potentially reducing overall production expenses. This technology could further boost the performance of AI and HPC accelerators, which are a growing market and require constant innovation. The glass substrate market is heating up, with major players like Intel, Samsung, and LG Innotek also investing heavily in this technology. Market projections suggest explosive growth, from $23 million in 2024 to $4.2 billion by 2034. Last year, Intel committed to investing up to 1.3 trillion Won (almost one billion USD) to start applying glass substrates to its processors by 2028. Everything suggests that glass substrates are the future of chip design, and we await to see first high-volume production designs.
Sources:
Business Korea, via Tom's Hardware
Glass substrates could enable AMD to create even more complex designs without relying on costly interposers, potentially reducing overall production expenses. This technology could further boost the performance of AI and HPC accelerators, which are a growing market and require constant innovation. The glass substrate market is heating up, with major players like Intel, Samsung, and LG Innotek also investing heavily in this technology. Market projections suggest explosive growth, from $23 million in 2024 to $4.2 billion by 2034. Last year, Intel committed to investing up to 1.3 trillion Won (almost one billion USD) to start applying glass substrates to its processors by 2028. Everything suggests that glass substrates are the future of chip design, and we await to see first high-volume production designs.
76 Comments on AMD Plans to Use Glass Substrates in its 2025/2026 Lineup of High-Performance Processors
13700k, released within a week of the 7700x for the exact same msrp. Need I say more?
7700x is currently cheaper WITHOUT SALES. However yes currently the 13700k is cheaper.
For a straight tried and true, lower power AMD is still pretty up there.
www.techpowerup.com/review/intel-core-i7-13700k/22.html
Power draw is a non issue, the 13700k will be faster in those workloads even at the same power. The "well duh the extra ecores will help" applies here to.
These are consumer CPUs bub. Tis real great Intel has better MT performance barely anyone uses, at a substantial power usage, but its a complete and utter non issue for most. And before you start a several page long discussion on how you can get great mileage out of that MT performance (please don't, its sad and pointless), you are not a regular user clearly. So its great they work for you but in no way does it make them better CPUs. The only real stand out CPU these days are X3Ds if you use them what they're for as they can do more work at a lower power envelope then. The rest is whateverland, just select on price per tier.
I think the deciding factor here isn't the CPU performance anymore, they're on par wherever it really matters. The deciding factor is how accessible the combo is: board, RAM, CPU.
When its a power hungry intel cpu? Not an issue.
When its a “power hungry” AMD CPU or GPU? Absolute trash!
Have to love it. :)
I'm sure you can clearly realize there is a huge difference between the two right?
And it's not that the 13700K is a bad processor*, I know it's faster than a 7700X in many tests, but it's not 50% faster in MT. It's LITERALLY (which means not figuratively) 50% faster in a few tests.
Except in power draw, where it uses 86% more. But we're not allowed to talk about that lol.
The 7700X is faster in 9 benchmarks (TPU), excluding only games.
That is not the case with the above example. The 13700k will draw more power while being much faster. It will also remain much faster if you limit it to the same power as the 7700x. According to computerbase you need to drop the 13700k to 88w to match the 7700x running stock (142w). So which one is actually more power hungry, huh?
Touched upon this in an earlier post, Intel seem to have got into the habit of releasing things on a schedule, instead of being quiet and just releasing things when they ready, marketing seems to have taken control.
Intel is more efficient, damn you! Stop all the fake news pls
/s
*inb4 fevgatos making an arcane goalpost movement with a slew of tweaked benches :)
The 7700x is the better processor because they sell it to you with higher margins? Wow... Ok
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Welcome to the 21st century! Make up your own world view using cherry picking:
Then I said "50% faster in MT performance" and you are posting some graphs that aren't about MT performance. But even in those, the 13700k is leading. By a lot. So what the actual heck are you even trying to prove here? Your graphs agree with me, the 13700k is considerably faster than the 7700x. Heck, it's faster than the 7900x as well. Even the 13600k is faster than the 7700x. But yeah, amd is leading in performance per $, lol. Whatever bud